*Chris* wrote: If you use these things on your trad draws, it's time to be rid of them.
Isn't that a bit like saying stop using any piece of gear that can be improperly used?
I never use them on long draws just because they are more of a pain in the neck to undo the runner. But it ALWAYS seems like when I am 5 or more feet out from the last piece climbing through the crux and I look back the F@#$ing biner is turned sideways and the rope is running over the spine while the nose is hanging on the runner.
Stop using biners. They can cross load and fail.
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